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Thursday, November 1, 2012

Halloween Iconoclasm


"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil."

- Socrates

By John Sanidopoulos

For the past few years I have been writing about the true origins of Halloween, attempting to demythologize a cultural practice which some in the Church have demonized in extremely gross manners. By doing this, some of our clergy and faithful have only done evil in the name of good, and glorified Satan instead of God, since misplaced demonization is in fact demonic. They may somewhat be excused for being deceived by scholars and extremists who originated such false theories, but in all things the members of the Church should seek the truth with gentleness and honesty, and not stain itself with sensationalism and propaganda that may  comfort their fears and soothe their confusion.

These critics seem to delusionally think that to demythologize Halloween is the same as to justify it. This only shows stubbornness. The ego often flaws the logical faculty. They think I want children to go trick-or-treating or to carve pumpkins or watch horror movies. They miss the point all together. Of course, I'm not against these things, but neither do I defend them, as I feel they need no defense when the truth sheds its light on these things when they are demythologized. They can choose to swim along the surface of the water without knowing its depth if they choose, but to confuse the shallow area for the deep. A Christian is able to trick-or-treat in the name of the Lord or in the name of Satan if they choose, but the action doesn't mean anything unless they make it to mean something (most just do it in the name of candy). By the same logic, anyone who goes to church on Sunday is a saint just for attending. Of course, they would never admit the latter, but it is the same logic. St. Paul dealt with a similar issue regarding Christians being allowed to eat meat that was sacrificed to idols. His opinion was yes, Christians can eat meat sacrificed to idols, as long as they do it in the name of the Lord and not in the name of a demon. Even Jesus dealt with this among the Jews when He told them that they can have no eternal life unless they ate His body and drank His blood. Everyone turned their back on Jesus when He said this, because they chose to focus on the surface of what He said instead of exploring its depths.

When I started making my thoughts and studies about Halloween public, and I am still only at the beginning stages, I was pretty much the only voice in any Orthodox forum doing so siding with the facts instead of falsehoods. Many who read some or all of my writings on the subject so far, accepted the truth and have graciously thanked me for balancing in their minds and hearts a subject which they thought had to be demonized, because scapegoats that seem to give the appearance of evil are often demonized in this way. Others have accused me of doing the work of the Church of Satan, justifying an evil and pagan practice, and blurring the line between the Church and the world.

But is the Church called to demonize or to sanctify the world? Or must the Church demonize the world in order to sanctify it? These are questions I am going to leave open for now, and hopefully revisit in the near future with more detail. But these questions are at the heart of much of the problem, not only regarding Halloween, but it affects the entire mission of the Church in the world.

Those who demonize such things as Halloween and the world in general, I am convinced, have never studied the corpus of patristic writings nor the original sources of ecclesiastical history. They show time and time again their ignorance of the Orthodox ethos and phronema. The things they say cannot be found, except in the writings of the heretics, which they also have not studied. How someone can voice their opinions on such sensitive topics without doing the necessary prelimary studies is really beyond me. Well, not really, since I also was once an opinionated fool. I believed that if I read one or two books on a subject that I was an expert, or at least had a right to an opinion. But the truth is, when you set the ego aside, the more one knows about something, the less one really knows. Knowledge of the truth humbles the mind, and does not puff it up. An over-opinionated person is a classic example of someone with puffed up knowledge, usually filled with errors. Humble knowledge goes to the sources, accepts the facts, and dispels with opinions.

In my many anti-Halloween emails from disappointed critics, I often feel like I am hearing the rants of 8th century Iconoclasts. The Iconoclasts basically believed that the images of Christ, the Theotokos and the Saints were idols. After all, the Bible did say to not make or worship any graven images. Images, they believed, originated with the pagans. Pagans would worship these images of deified gods, and even sacrifice children before them. How could the Church take something with such an evil history, before which evil things were done and saints toppled with their prayers, and which demons used to communicate with people, and depict holy things in a similar manner, bow down before them, offer incense to them, and kiss them? They said similar things about the relics of saints. Many Orthodox believed these sensationalistic lies because of their immature knowledge of the Faith and began a persecution against icons, the relics of saints and those who honored them. They would call those who supported icons and relics Pagans, and sometimes they would go to such extremes and torture and kill the Iconophiles. Iconoclasts were nothing more than people with puffed up opinions of what the Bible and a few Church Fathers seemed to have said about images, as was revealed by their contemporary Orthodox apologists who understood that "the letter of the law kills, while the spirit quickens".

When I read someone like St. John of Damascus, who defended icons, I read things that I would say to my critics today. One example is this:

"For I look upon it as a great calamity that the Church, adorned with Her great privileges and the holiest examples of saints in the past, should go back to the first rudiments, and fear where there is no fear. It is disastrous to suppose that the Church does not know God as He is, that She degenerates into idolatry, for if She declines from perfection in a single iota, it is as an enduring mark on a comely face, destroying by its unsightliness the beauty of the whole."

Here he basically says that the saints of the past, in Old Testament times, feared to make graven images because of its pagan associations. But now that God has taken to Himself material creation, there is no longer any fear. The Iconoclasts believed the Church was degenerating into idolatry, when in fact they do not know God as He truly is - fully God AND fully man.

He also wrote:

"Now, the devil, the enemy of the truth and of man's salvation, in suggesting that images of corruptible man, and of birds and beasts and reptiles, should be made and worshipped as gods, has often led astray not only heathens but the children of Israel. In these days he is eager to trouble the peace of Christ's Church through false and lying tongues, using divine words in favor of what is evil, and striving to disguise his wicked intent, and drawing the unstable away from true and patristic custom."

I can go on and on, but I think I made my point.

When it comes to the subject of Halloween, things get even worse from a logical point of view. At least the Iconoclasts were correct that graven images had their source among the pagans. Even St. John admits this, and says that it took Christ taking on human flesh to sanctify material creation and allow for images to be made in the name of the Lord. But modern Halloween has no pagan roots, as the clear evidence suggests. That Halloween has become associated with paganism and satanism is an invention of Christians primarily to demonize not only a folk tradition, but something that has its source in the Church of the Middle Ages before the Reformation. But I have written much on this subject and don't feel like I need to address this any further here.

The iconoclastic persecution lasted over a hundred years, and much bloodshed was spilled in the process. Why? Because certain Orthodox Christians who thought they knew theology and the tradition of the Church in fact were living in a delusional state with their childish theology that satisfied their own ego. That is a simple but true way of putting it. Nothing is new under the sun. People in the Church, which includes many of our clergy, monastics and theologians, have always been like this from the beginnings of Christianity and will be like this until the end of time. This is why a sober education is needed now, just as it always has been needed, not only for minor subjects like Halloween, but for everything in which a scrap of falsehood can be found. The Church was established, according to the apostolic fathers, to rid the world of superstition and falsehood in order to sanctify it. This is the primary mission of the Church in the world.




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  1. julianhaydaNovember 1, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Beautifully written. I'm glad there is a voice of reason which doesn't see all that is "not Orthodox" as something to reject outright.

    There was a rather dramatic anti-Halloween argument on my parish's official Facebook page (which over 850 people are fans of). For some reason, there was no argument. They even attacked me as being the son of a priest, little to their knowledge that my father enjoyed Halloween and went tick or treating with his family every year, sometimes in his own costume!

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  2. Isaac in St. LouisNovember 1, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    Where is humility to a brother's weakness? Where is St. Paul's injunction-- if eating meat offered to idols scandalizes my brother, I will never eat meat again?

    Perhaps we could rephrase that with candy, here.

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  3. mamachurchmouseNovember 1, 2012 at 10:39 PM

    It's not about Halloween, is it, but about how, as Orthodox Christians, we understand our relationship with the world? A priest recently said in a homily, that the prophets say there is no point in trying to make the world a better place, in beautifying it. This is part of the same mentality, I believe, that demonizes the world. Are we not to be salt and light? Thank you for your research and clear thinking about Halloween, I have found it helpful.

    I appreciate many of your points in this article, though I do wish this post was not quite such a rant since I will not feel comfortable passing it on.

    We do Halloween with our kids, but we don't give it more attention than it deserves (no mad preparations for one month in advance), nor do we do any of the deathly and creepy stuff, and we talk about the origins and emphasize the neighbourly fun, and when necessary remind them of Christ's victory over death and corruption.

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  4. Steve HayesNovember 1, 2012 at 11:33 PM

    Most of the scare stories about Hallowe'en (that it is demonic, druidic, occultic etc) were concocted by Protestants to attack the veneration of saints, which they disapproved of. It is very sad to see Orthodox Christians parroting these Protestant arguments.

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  5. IoanNovember 2, 2012 at 4:30 AM

    I totally agree with John. He tries to remain honest regarding the Truth, not just (apparent) reality. And, Orthodoxy does not force its way into people's hearts, but neither does it necessarily defend what the world is doing.

    In Romania, though, we are having a bad experience with Halloween. It's not about Halloween in itself, but the way it has been adapted to our culture. Given that we are an Orthodox nation, and the fact that Halloween here means that you dress like demons, witches, Dracula, etc., there really is not much to approve by an Orthodox. But, this is our distinct situation. We need to be careful how we go about telling people about it. It's not as easy as saying that it is a pagan holiday, or that it has to do with devil worship; this may or may not have to do with apparent reality, but not with The Truth.

    I posted an article on my blog by a Romanian priest about Halloween in Romania. Please, use discernment and do understand that it is really specific to our country and that it does not really mean to condemn people, or even Halloween:

    http://romanianorthodoxyinenglish.blogspot.ro/2012/11/halloween-or-playing-with-devil-fr.html

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  6. johnnyNovember 2, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    Thou doth protest too much, methinks.

    Regardless, This topic is open to debate though. No final word has been said.

    It still has a lot of gray areas, and it also depends on what angle one wishes to grasp the from.

    Should one accept is origins, or its influence. Should one compare it with the Halloween of the past centuries,..or the 1950, or today?

    Or for example, Back in the day, it was a neighborhood thing, much time to enjoy the friendships of old. But today, who is going to open up a door to strangers with masks, at night even ???

    And yes, Satanist and occultist do have oct 31 as a high (un)holy day. but then again, as kids we had a fun time.

    Is it right or wrong? I sit on the fence on this one, as to giving a final verdict. BUT... I choose not to celebrate it, to err on the side of caution. IF i am erring at all. All things may be legal to a Christian, but that does not mean all things should be done by one..

    I leave it to the people conscience. ..and dont make a big deal about, one way or the other.

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  7. JHuntNovember 2, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    Dear John,

    It appears that you have come to the defense of Halloween with a fanaticism and zeal with which I have not seen you express yourself regarding Orthodoxy, where you are often so careful to warn about the dangers of fanaticism and excessive zeal. So, in demonizing Halloween the Church has “glorified Satan instead of God”!? “Critics of Halloween are so delusional…”, and likening the criticism of Halloween to “iconoclasm”? Is this not extremely over the top?

    I certainly understand your interest in the development of Halloween, its history, and its connection with the past (and lack thereof). Certainly, for Western Christians there is the historical relationship with eve of the Feast of All Saints, and Western Christians may wish to recover the ancient Christian traditions associated with this day in connection with the veneration of the saints, but this has nothing to do with “trick-or-treating” or the other aspects of the contemporary commercialized secular celebration of Halloween. The connection with the Feast of All Saints is also not something that Orthodox share with the West, and so this connection has little significance for Orthodox Christians.

    While certainly there are a lot of myths, or at least claims that are difficult to prove, regarding the satanic and pagan origins of Halloween; many Orthodox may choose not to celebrate it without regard to its supposed history simply for the fact that evil is so widely glorified on this day. As a son of a counselor or has had to help people suffering from ritualistic Satanic abuse, there is no doubt that such ritual abuse takes place, and particularly on Halloween. Some who have been involved in the occult and witchcraft have also commented on your blog regarding the reverence that Satanists and members of the occult have for Halloween. The Halloween industry has made normative the figure of the “witch” as a primary iconic figure for this day, and so many of the costumes sold for “trick-or-treaters” resemble hideous demons, murderers, etc. Evil, darkness, horror, and death are all glorified on this day as can be seen by the horrific movies which are shown on TV and popular events like “haunted houses”. Why would Orthodox Christians want to participate in such things?

    You said, “They don't understand that a Christian is able to trick-or-treat in the name of the Lord”. To say “trick-or-treat” is a threat, and we will be held responsible for every word that proceeds from our mouth, so how can a Christian threaten mischief against another person in the name of Christ? How does begging for inordinate amounts of sweets which are unhealthy for the body glorify Christ? Sure, people mindlessly repeat “trick-or-treat” without any intent on following up with the “trick” if the treat is not granted, but we are accountable for our words whether we mean them or not, and I cannot see how such a practice can be embraced by a Christian.

    While you have claimed that you are not defending the celebration of Halloween, your presentation has seemed to be mostly one sided, ridiculing certain claims about Halloween’s history without offering a sufficient critique of the contemporary celebration from an Orthodox perspective. The seeming lack of balance in the presentation has led to the perception that you are in fact defending Halloween with a fanatical zeal, and that you hold in great contempt anyone who might disagree that this day is something Orthodox should be able to celebrate.

    Certainly you have done some research, and through logic and reason have arrived at your conclusions, but there is also the spiritual aspect that must be considered. Even if given all of the facts regarding the history of Halloween, even after fully demythologizing Halloween, I doubt that any experienced spiritual father would suggest that celebrating it is “no big deal”, as you seem to suggest.

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  8. TimNovember 2, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    This post was not over the top at all, but it speaks the truth with a balanced, moderate and educated tone, and ties in well with other lies you have exposed over the years. It is only fanatical to those who are fanatical about the lies they want to believe. It seems to me your critics would just love for you to take the same tone in exposing the Illuminati, Zionism and other Conspiracy Theories or bishops and theologians who take part in Ecumenical activities.

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  9. TimNovember 2, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Better yet, if you had posted the lies about Halloween many clergy have posted about it over the past month, they would praise you to no end. Keep up the great work, John!

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  10. AmandaNovember 2, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    John,
    I happened upon your site today as I was floundering around to ease my conscious for letting my kiddos celebrate Halloween. Its amazing how superstitious my superstitions are...LOL. As a convert to Orthodoxy I am continually shocked at how fundamentalism is alive and well in the Orthodox church. I thought I left this stuff in the dust, well I guess not. Anyway, most of the time I just laugh, or consider the contradiction of the term American Orthodox. I am one big mess heap of confusion sometimes. Thank you for helping me truly "convert". Your website is a labor of love and a true commitment to discipleship.

    Anyway, when I was Catholic I discovered and fell in love with the literature of Flannery O'Connor. Her form of horror reminds me of the cathartic nature of tragedy (and literature's role in purging), and how evil is an intricate part of the journey of faith. Often times I believe a horror movie to be deeply and honestly religious, a true portrait of real evil. Confronting our own evil is what it is all about, and this is horrifying. Although I would like to deny the monster in me and project it onto "whatever", literature by O'Connor, Twain, Poe, King, and countless others keep it real. Ordinary people do evil things, I do evil things, and that is what should scare me the most....not the Other, the delusion that evil exist in the Other and not in me.

    Thanks for your scary stories. I wish I would have had them last week when we had a campfire for HOPE/JOY at my house and all the little kids wanted a scary story. I would guess that a few mothers would be furious with me right now if I had told the kids a "real" scary story. I struggled with evil experiences as a child, and I would not trade those experiences for anything. Its strange, but in a real way they made me love not hate, they made me see my own frailty, they made me long for something greater than myself. Thanks again, and God bless,
    Amanda

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  11. VickyNovember 2, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    Trick or Treat a threat? Talk about fanatical. If anything, one could at most say it was an idle threat, but if you read what John posted about trick or treating in America, you would understand that it was established to calm down the rampant vandalism of inner city impoverished youth at the time, and not promote it. It also helped neighborhoods not demonize the frustrated children of the Great Depression era. It was actually brought to the USA from here in Canada, where it is first referred to in 1927 when poor kids would hide front yard decorations of houses on Halloween in order to get something to eat, but in the US this did not happen. It moderated and calmed mischief, if anything, and thus one could definitely say it was a godly thing.

    I believe this is very much an Orthodox issue that needs to be spoken about. Every year my priest sends out crazy information on Halloween of children being sacrificed to the devil, and how any child who celebrates Halloween is participating in demonic activity, etc, etc. I think we need to see the demons in the lies and expose them for what they are, even if they come from our mislead clergy.

    I remember growing up I was also told how worshiping on Sunday has pagan roots, that the celebration of Chrismas on December 25 has pagan roots, and that the word "Easter" has pagan roots. It was only through Mystagogy that I saw that these were all myths, and I'm very thankful for it. But I suppose the critics would rather see that these all indeed did have pagan roots to demonize those too.

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  12. theguide42November 5, 2012 at 1:37 AM

    Nice...an Orthodox voice of reason.

    Heu, America, heu.

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  13. capselaNovember 6, 2012 at 12:03 AM

    Thank you for your voice of reason. I recently read a Matushka's blog post about how they don't do Halloween. Ok, that's their choice. However, she apparently has no problem with dabbling in Anthroposophy. Mind boggling.

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