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Thanks, John. It's good to be reminded of wha...

2009-09-30T02:08:09.658-04:00

Thanks, John. It's good to be reminded of what St. Paul says about judging those outside the church.

By no means does Marilyn Manson bear responsibility for Columbine. What I had in mind was his terrible blasphemy. It's not simply Christians but Christ himself who is being mocked.

Thats a pretty poor trade-off for a philosophy I find pretty flaky and juvenile. But then again I'm not a part of American society so maybe thats why I seem to be missing something.

Personally I find it beneficial for christians to ...

2009-09-30T01:41:19.018-04:00

Personally I find it beneficial for christians to listen to critics of christians at times to humble us a bit. When they say something true to make us look in the mirror at our own sins, then that is always a good thing. Though Manson is immersed in his own individualism, I find him to be an excellent commentator on the evils of fundamentalism and American popular culture. I personally see nothing to fear in someone like Marilyn Manson, just like we shouldn't fear the society that created its own reflection in him. To condemn has its time and place, but St. Paul does say that we should not judge those outside the Church like we do those within who do bear the responsibility of living by the laws of God.

As for the question on whether if we should blame kids if they throw building blocks with letters on them and they spell out ‘fuck a kid’ or ‘kill your parents’? Id have to agree with Marilyn and say no, even though he uses an extreme example to make his point (but that's Manson for you). Obviously Manson doesn't advocate those things or he would be in jail right now. But people accuse him still of such things and have accused him (remember he was falsely accused for Columbine and has received hundreds of death threats from christians for the dozens of things he's been blamed for). And that is his point in the example it seems to me, which he understandably speaks so passionately about since it is a very personal issue for him. That these things existed before Marilyn Manson and they will exist after, and like Nikos said we should take responsibility for how we teach our children instead of blaming the scapegoats of our time. So I would agree that this interview is indeed all about people taking responsibility, and Manson's unique honesty is definately something I've learned from over the years even if some can't or won't be benefited by it. And his type of honesty is definately not for everyone, so I understand the critics as well.

Of course there are bits of truth there. However ...

2009-09-30T01:14:07.330-04:00

Of course there are bits of truth there. However I don't believe his motives are pure.

If Marilyn Manson's sins were his own personal struggle it would be quite wrong to speak out against him. However, since his music is listened to by millions of people and are quite blasphemous we should speak out against it. This is the proper way to go about it. Let's not turn a blind eye.

Btw, there is nothing redemptive about "being honest" if doesn't lead to repentance and a change of heart.

Can't you find one piece of truth in this inte...

2009-09-30T00:54:24.981-04:00

Can't you find one piece of truth in this interview? Also, I found this interview to be all about people taking responsibility for what they do and say instead of laying blame on a scapegoat...like Marilyn Manson has come to be. You can't blame the guy for being honest. As for his sins, its best we concentrate on our own and be models of humility to our children. I don't think anyone here advocates the "theology" of Marilyn Manson for us to condemn him outright and not listen to what he has to say about his views on transgression within a genre he has mastered.

Not profound at all. He's simply full of soft...

2009-09-30T00:32:18.755-04:00

Not profound at all. He's simply full of soft and proud lies.

What he says in this interview is just as disgusting as anything he's done. He's the master of equivocation and promotes a false idea of freedom. Eg. "Can you blame a kid for taking building blocks with letters on them, throwing them down and having them they spell out ‘fuck a kid’ or ‘kill your parents’? No...

What on earth?! I suppose no-one can be held responsible for their words?

He's a complete liar in that his life bears out none of any of the positive things he might say. It seems he loves the public to think there's something "profound" behind his blasphemy.

It's best not to contemplate what he says and avoid his music and sophist interviews.

Fascinating indeed...what a unique commentary.

2009-09-29T15:48:34.193-04:00

Fascinating indeed...what a unique commentary.

profound...i enjoyed that..

2009-09-29T13:47:11.064-04:00

profound...i enjoyed that..