Tuesday, September 29, 2009

Joy Behar Lashes Out On Ukrainian Orthodox Priest Over Elton John's Right to Gay Adoption



[It seems like the only way Americans know how to argue these days is by committing one logical fallacy after another and basing everything solely on emotional argumentation. And people eat this stuff up. I'll list here some fallacies I see in the way Joy Behar argues for Elton John's right to adopt a child and you can try and spot them in her Commentary: Ad hominem, Naturalistic fallacy, Appeal to ridicule, Burden of proof, Judgmental language, Psychologist's fallacy, Cherry picking, Argumentum ad populum, Appeal to emotion, Appeal to motive, Appeal to wealth, Poisoning the well, and the one that stands out the most is her Appeal to novelty. There are more, but enough said. - J.S.]

Commentary: Let Elton John and his Partner Adopt

by Joy Behar

September 29, 2009

NEW YORK (CNN) -- On a recent tour of a Ukrainian orphanage, Elton John and his partner met Lev, a 14-month old HIV-positive boy.

They immediately fell in love with the child, but their possible bid to adopt the adorable tiny dancer was rejected by Yuriy Pavlenko, Ukraine's Family, Youth and Sports Minister.

Mr. Pavlenko, here are some tips about family, youth and sports. Family doesn't mean a huddle of orphans sharing a few soiled mattresses, it's not youth if you die of AIDS before you reach kindergarten, and wrestling over dinner scraps is not a sport.

But that could be Lev's fate now, because the Ukrainian government said Elton and his beau David Furnish are too old to adopt the boy. It sounds like the real reason is they're too gay.

John and Furnish tied the knot in 2005, becoming one of Britain's first gay civil unions, but Ukraine doesn't recognize gay unions.

Ukrainian Orthodox Church spokesman Father Georgy Gulyaev called Elton John a sinner and said, "thank God it's impossible under Ukrainian law for [him] to adopt a child." Apparently in the Ukraine, God's No. 1 priority is preventing gay couples from giving sick kids a better life. God would never want something like that to happen.

Father Gulyaev said homosexuality "represents the dead end of human development." That's odd, I thought the dead end of human development was represented by 14th century thinking like his. This guy's head is stuck in the Dark Ages. He hasn't even progressed to the Middle Ages yet.

Some conservative religious leaders like to harp about the "damage" to families done by gay marriage, as if traditional marriage is so perfect. Since many of them have taken vows of celibacy, they've never witnessed firsthand the damage dinner with the in-laws can cause (one of the few advantages of the celibate life, I guess).

There are even a few married Bible-thumpers spending their time trying to keep sex out of our lives -- yet they talk about sex more than anyone! Sex is usually the first and only factor they consider when judging -- I mean, when "dispensing enlightenment upon" -- others. Watch Joy Behar speak about adoption »

Sure, Elton John may be gay, but he's also a renowned musician, a celebrated humanitarian, and has been knighted by the Queen of England. In fact, for some people he is the Queen of England.

Plus, there's no downside to gay adoption. In the United States, organizations like the National Adoption Center, the American Psychological Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics all agree that having homosexual parents does not negatively affect children.

But you know what does negatively affect children? Growing up with no parents. So now 14-month-old Lev is stuck in some depressing orphanage that makes Guantanamo Bay look like the presidential suite at the Waldorf.

He'll likely end up in foster homes and -- if he lives long enough -- maybe he can turn into a bitter, vodka-swilling drunk. All because the Ukrainian government won't let him be adopted by two loving gay parents who are fabulously rich and want to give him a home with the best healthcare available, dressed in Versace jammies and cashmere Huggies. Not to mention all the play dates with Brangelina's kids.

Let's hope Sir Elton finds a different, more tolerant country willing to let him be a poor child's loving father.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Joy Behar.

6 comments:

  1. The argument that points out that children with heterosexual parents have difficult lives too is full of logic like "kids who stand on the edge of the road still get hit by cars.....so why not just let them play in the street".

    Some children raised by gay parents grow up to become gay actavists. Others are traumatized and scarred by the experience. This issue is bigger than just pragmatism. It is about right or wrong, which makes one sound like a Neanderthal when on the wrong side of political correctness.
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  2. There are many fallacies with Joy's type of argumentation. I added only a few that I see in the intro.
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  3. As an Orthodox Christian, I find the comments of Father Georgy Gulyaev hard to understand. If we look at the story of the Good Samaritan, we see a person who took pity on another - and the person filled with pity was one who was condemned as a sinner. As a result of the actions of the sinner, the hapless victim of the thieves lived. Who could be more innocent than this poor child? How can Christians justify denying this child the care of people who want to help him?
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  4. There is something much bigger going on here. We must not think as men think. the ultament goal here in this life is getting to heaven. If the child is scared or screwed up being raised by sir Elton and beau, he will not get to heaven. This is not a "grey" area. Living a hard life here on earth will not kill the soul, however an easy life gone astray can and will kill the soul.
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  5. Very well said! Who are we to think we are wiser or should i say so proud to think we know better? God places people in the situations and specific times that are ripe for salvation, so that the person may reach out to Him... though He is never far from anyone. So this child is in the place of His wisdom for his ultimate salvation. Here again the foolishness of man pruposes with his fallicious wisdom that a state of sin is a better life, what with the fallacy of appeal to wealth, appeal to emotion, the psychologist's fallacy and the lovely train of ad hominum, etc to propel the lot. Who are we indeed? Let's pray that in God's infinite wisdom that the child finds God via Orthodox and Catholic parents: Male and female. thanks to Anonymous and thanks to John Sandipoulos.
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  6. Hearken, my beloved brethren, Has not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he has promised to them that love him? (James 2:5)

    As sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things. (2Cor 6:10)

    But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. (Matthew 19:30)

    Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God abides forever. (1John 2:15-17)

    These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaks great swelling words, holding men in admiration for the sake of advantage. (Jude 1:16)
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